Zheng: I thought so at that time. There's a common ground between Sight Table and painting is both are being seen. Just the content of seeing is changing, a functional changing. The actual function of enlarged Sight Table has been canceled, therefore its meaning is come out. It follows the thought of that policeman. The Hansen's sculpture is more realistic, a living thing without aesthetic feeling, so I chose that one. Then put the chairs together, one of them was dragged from the wall, it happened to be the same chair with Hansen's sculpture, then come to the real person from the audience, that is a circle, a little like illustration. I do want it to have dynamic effect.
Fu: Artists from Northeast have a main character that they make this combination paste seriously, and consider the logic relation in it, it becomes a perceptual and rational relation. It is different to those simple pastes, though there's relation within.
Zheng: Yes, it's has logic or say a frame. Sometimes it needs a necessity, or it needs to clear up its cognizance by people, so it can form a new thing. I have seen the leak of that painting. The leak of it is said too completely, and didn't leave a space for audiences to image. The creation of art and explanation belong to two systems. The creation should avoid explanation. The most precious thing of painting is irrational feelings, and it is against the explanation.
Fu: Please explain the batch of works of football, I regard as a game you love, it is a way to be relative to the outside, the collision of man and big strange city, and a conjunction for contacting ambience.
Zheng: it is like portrait, the difference is the changing of symbol, and human is removed out, other things are put into it. Football has a original happy sense and is an exciting sport. But when appearing under different circumstances, its additional concept will be changed if it is supplemental. For instance, in shopping mall, it is commodity; on the still life table, it is a still object and so on. After switch it with human, its status changes. But it isn't the thing taken randomly. Proved step by step, the result is it is a performer, it became a property, the status of football is proved by being with performers.
Fu:I have a new neorealist suggestion, not that absolute realism, but a tact in virtue of way of painting realistically, make use of the article and scene in life, but it expresses the truth of the mentality, it is a thing with feeling and rebuilt spirit, or one clue in a fictitious scene. It is like realism in appearance, but not in real. It is talking a relation of missing place, absurd expression, or a feint, a reappearing thing, you maybe the person who use symbol the most, or marks, like character, writing words in the appearance of painting. To some extent, you are affect more by Magret. He also has logic relation of words in it, and several layer, like image and object, symbol and concept, etc.
Zheng: It has a relation. The concept would be changed if use image to explain this relation. Anything has its present meanings. When the scene or environment changed, its meaning and accessional worthiness are increased, extension is inspired by a image. I want to set up this relation, when it appears it isn't what you saw at first sight anymore. Now I painted two pieces paintings of football. One's bottom and texture are thick, and the colour is rarefied by tempered oil, then to sketch an image of football. I think this relation in painting is more materialized, is absolutely different from the reality. The relation between this and painting is a brushwork and a texture bear the weight of an image, including separating these two things. In fact, any painting is like this, it should have a reason, a relation between image and painting. The other one is also football, and paint four circles. First one is plaster sphere. The second is covered back of the first one, and it is planer, there is only texture on it. The third is the profile of football. All its colour is one kind. The fourth is a circle with black alternating with white, without third dimension, it is like a plane thing. If they are fitted together, that is a football. Now I spread it out because I want to represent it in painting.
Fu: It is a little like the famous expert Gong Sunlong's theory of White Tough Stone , how do you come into contact with the present art, did it begin in Xi'an Academy of Fine Arts?
Zheng: I knew a little bit about it when I was in university. That time I liked Van Gogh. And I like most of artists of modernism, for they were born to be artists. But it isn't so important if to place it in the present given times. A skillful artist whose painting is great so that people love to watch it, even though the thing he wants to represent will be replaced with its exterior.
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